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 Post subject: WELCOME TO THE RANKS OF CMM!!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:35 pm 
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Welcome to Classical Music Mayhem!!

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CMM is the forum for all matters relating to Classical Music. Cutting past traditional hyperbole to promote genuine excellence in composition, recordings and live performances. With a specialism in contemporary (‘period’) instruments and performance practice, CMM is a true multi-media experience with lively discussions - a genuine enthusiast's forum.


Promote yourself through the ranks as you make your contributions (feel free to resurrect old topics too), from humble squaddie to all-powerful commander of the field, to Emperor of all you survey, until finally you ascend the heights of Mt. Olympus and take your seat amongst the Gods!

Rank title - Required number of posts
Private - 0 (Privates cannot upload or download post attachments. All other ranks have this access)
Lance Corporal - 10
Corporal - 30
Sergeant - 50
Sergeant Major - 70
2nd Lieutenant - 100 (grants you access to the Officers' Mess forum)
Lieutenant - 200
Captain - 350
Major - 500
Lieutenant Colonel - 750
Colonel - 1000
Brigadier - 1250
Major General - 1500
Lieutenant General - 1750
General - 2000
Field Marshal - 2500
Lord Protector - 3000
Emperor - 3500
The Gods of Olympus! - 4000
Upon reaching Olympus members can choose a god from antiquity to represent them. A star is placed in the heavens (ie on the garland of your rank badge) in tribute. For every further 500 posts made another star will be added to your rank badge by the gods, up to a total of 13 stars (which equates to 10,000 posts).

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I've just looked up, in my Langenscheidt-Collins Dictionary, what the word "mayhem" means – intuitively, it sounded rather nice to me, somewhat like "harvest" or "autumn". But nothing of this at all, it just means "havoc" or "chaos". What kind of chaos do you intend with this new music forum? Classical music dodecaphony, for instance? (Which is a contradiction in itself.) – Well, I'm really curious.

Nevertheless, I like the limited number of forum categories and not the endless variety of arbitrary smalltalk pigeonholes. On the other hand, I don't like your militarily looking list of "Rank Titles" – I'll happily go without being entitled in this way.

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Hi Rod. Nice site, I will be glad to try and participate. I would make a very strong suggestion that you have one master topic area titled "Whatver you please" or "Anything" or something like that. The discussions that may ensue about music IN GENERAL, movements, differences among composers, musical philosophies, favorite works, what is the defining difference between opera and musicals, what is Romanticism, why modern music, when did the Classical period really end, what if Mozart had lived, etc., etc., may be too broad to file under one of the pre-existing topics. I for one was a little taken aback at the neat filing system you created, particularly after reading the word 'mayhem.'

But that aside, good luck with this board and let it rip.

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Chaszz wrote:
Hi Rod. Nice site, I will be glad to try and participate. I would make a very strong suggestion that you have one master topic area titled "Whatver you please" or "Anything" or something like that. The discussions that may ensue about music IN GENERAL, movements, differences among composers, musical philosophies, favorite works, what is the defining difference between opera and musicals, what is Romanticism, why modern music, when did the Classical period really end, what if Mozart had lived, etc., etc., may be too broad to file under one of the pre-existing topics. I for one was a little taken aback at the neat filing system you created, particularly after reading the word 'mayhem.'

But that aside, good luck with this board and let it rip.

Chaszz


Or...perhaps you don't want any of that stuff here.

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Hansen wrote:
I've just looked up, in my Langenscheidt-Collins Dictionary, what the word "mayhem" means – intuitively, it sounded rather nice to me, somewhat like "harvest" or "autumn". But nothing of this at all, it just means "havoc" or "chaos". What kind of chaos do you intend with this new music forum? Classical music dodecaphony, for instance? (Which is a contradiction in itself.) – Well, I'm really curious.

Nevertheless, I like the limited number of forum categories and not the endless variety of arbitrary smalltalk pigeonholes. On the other hand, I don't like your militarily looking list of "Rank Titles" – I'll happily go without being entitled in this way.

Hansen


Hi Hansen, it's all meant to be humerous, including the military rankings! But if you insist i can give you the title of 'member'! The promotions are a 'loyalty reward' so to speak. Regarding 'mayhem' the idea is that topics that would be hounded out as unacceptable at other forums will be encouraged here (eg the anti-establishment notion that Handel was a greater composer than Bach, something I wholly agree with), hence the mayhem will not be of my making, it would ironically come from the pro-Establishment lobby. Don't panic!

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Chaszz wrote:
Hi Rod. Nice site, I will be glad to try and participate. I would make a very strong suggestion that you have one master topic area titled "Whatver you please" or "Anything" or something like that. The discussions that may ensue about music IN GENERAL, movements, differences among composers, musical philosophies, favorite works, what is the defining difference between opera and musicals, what is Romanticism, why modern music, when did the Classical period really end, what if Mozart had lived, etc., etc., may be too broad to file under one of the pre-existing topics. I for one was a little taken aback at the neat filing system you created, particularly after reading the word 'mayhem.'

But that aside, good luck with this board and let it rip.

Chaszz


Or...perhaps you don't want any of that stuff here.

Chaszz


Hi chaszz, thanks for joining up.

No I agree with you, I was trying to think of wording for a general category as you describe, but without the category being so vague as to make the other forums redundant. I think the forum 'Compositional history' fits nearest the 'differences among composers' and 'when did the Classical period really end' angle, but I'll re-title this room bearing in mind what you have said, to add clarity. I've already got my usual Bach vs Handel topic in this room already. 'what is the defining difference between opera and musicals' is covered by the secular music room.

If you have any more ideas pass them on.

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Hi Hansen, it's all meant to be humerous, including the military rankings! But if you insist i can give you the title of 'member'!


Well, 'member' will be fine (as soon as I'll exceed the 24th post).

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Regarding 'mayhem' the idea is that topics that would be hounded out as unacceptable at other forums will be encouraged here (eg the anti-establishment notion that Handel was a greater composer than Bach, something I wholly agree with), hence the mayhem will not be of my making, it would ironically come from the pro-Establishment lobby. Don't panic!


Sure, I won't do panic. But I'm very interested in recognizing such 'mahem' of sorts and how you'll go to manage it. Could become a stimulating music site!

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Hansen wrote:
RodCorkin wrote:
Hi Hansen, it's all meant to be humerous, including the military rankings! But if you insist i can give you the title of 'member'!


Well, 'member' will be fine (as soon as I'll exceed the 24th post).


Fair enough, 'member' it is for you!


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Sure, I won't do panic. But I'm very interested in recognizing such 'mahem' of sorts and how you'll go to manage it. Could become a stimulating music site!

Hansen


Well it can be because I succeeded doing the same thing 10 years ago with another CM forum (before the site owner destroyed it). But these days people seem less keen to argue any point or discuss artistic merit. These are sad times. All we need is a few opinionated people, that is enough to fire the others into action.

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RodCorkin wrote:
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Chaszz wrote:
Hi Rod. Nice site, I will be glad to try and participate. I would make a very strong suggestion that you have one master topic area titled "Whatver you please" or "Anything" or something like that. The discussions that may ensue about music IN GENERAL, movements, differences among composers, musical philosophies, favorite works, what is the defining difference between opera and musicals, what is Romanticism, why modern music, when did the Classical period really end, what if Mozart had lived, etc., etc., may be too broad to file under one of the pre-existing topics. I for one was a little taken aback at the neat filing system you created, particularly after reading the word 'mayhem.'

But that aside, good luck with this board and let it rip.

Chaszz


Or...perhaps you don't want any of that stuff here.

Chaszz


Hi chaszz, thanks for joining up.

No I agree with you, I was trying to think of wording for a general category as you describe, but without the category being so vague as to make the other forums redundant. I think the forum 'Compositional history' fits nearest the 'differences among composers' and 'when did the Classical period really end' angle, but I'll re-title this room bearing in mind what you have said, to add clarity. I've already got my usual Bach vs Handel topic in this room already. 'what is the defining difference between opera and musicals' is covered by the secular music room.

If you have any more ideas pass them on.

Thanks.


I think General Musicology will do fine.

I tried to vote at the Bach-Handel thread but could not find a way to do so.

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I tried to vote at the Bach-Handel thread but could not find a way to do so.


There is a button just below the pole results if you haven't already voted. You can only vote once!

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Rod, I wish you all the best with this new website. The fact that we can post on a wide variety of musical topics is great.

As a fairly frequent poster on musical issues (especially on Mozart) I've noticed over the last 5 years or so there's been a noticeable change in the way music (great music) is discussed online. There will of course always be people who, reading a textbook, or repeating things that are really anecdotal or are bits of hoary tradition, feel it their duty to defend convention, often at great length. That's fine, of course. One can learn from that. For sure. And there a rather large number of members of classical music forums who really despise and want to root out 'revisionism' as being a 'threat to what has been proved true a million times'. Perhaps the real truth is that a great deal of the music we love (i.e. we who love music from the Baroque to, say, Bartok or Vaughan Williams) comes from an era where intellect and human learning was its single greatest characteristic while we who are alive today are living in times where intellect and human ingenuity is steadily being shown as NOT the 'zeitgeist' of our own time. If this is true it may go some way to explaining why conversations on 'classicism' or on 'classical music' often fall flat, or why members who read posts on the subject, despite enjoying them are at a loss to know how they might contribute further to them. If we really live in a different time than the great composers mentioned above (which I think is true) I think the onus is on us, as music lovers, to be faithful to our age once we are aware of it being different.

The reason I've hammered away at Mozart is not so much that I detest or dislike 'his' music. It's simply that I love music too much to do otherwise. I feel I've learned a great deal by taking risks. That I've come in to contact with composers and music which I'd probably never have heard of had I done differently.

I find myself listening to less music today than in the past few years. Certainly less live performance. If I hear a new piece by, say, Kozeluch or Ravel I am truly as interested as if it was by Bach or Beethoven.

We who love great music all have a 'wine cellar' because we cultivate the thing we love. I think this love of creative art makes us friendly. And that it makes heretics of all of us !


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Maybe you could change the military rank to something more musical like Fiddler - second violin - first violin - concert master - court composer - musical legend etc

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'his' music

Here we go again! haha. Nice to see you again Robert, hopefully we'll get a chance to chat on Yahoo again sometime soon.

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Maybe you could change the military rank to something more musical like Fiddler - second violin - first violin - concert master - court composer - musical legend etc

I wholeheartedly agree with Handel :)


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Maybe you could change the military rank to something more musical like Fiddler - second violin - first violin - concert master - court composer - musical legend etc

:D


I thought of that but it would be an insult to Second Violinists! Also I couldn't think of enough ranks in this context. Considering the many duels and battles ahead I think the military ranking will be more appropriate than you suspect. But I'll think about this again. In the mean time it will be a day of celebration when we have our first Lance Corporal!

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Robert Newman wrote:
'his' music

Here we go again! haha. Nice to see you again Robert, hopefully we'll get a chance to chat on Yahoo again sometime soon.

Handel wrote:
Maybe you could change the military rank to something more musical like Fiddler - second violin - first violin - concert master - court composer - musical legend etc

I wholeheartedly agree with Handel :)


As I said above I'll think again about the ranking. But we need enough ranks, and enough where the hierarchy will be generally recognisable. If you were a second fiddle you may regard yourself as a rank above a first!

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