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 Post subject: What Chopin pieces is Oscar Wilde referring to?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:53 pm 
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"After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own."

I'm kind of new to Chopin's music, so I'm curious, what pieces was Oscar Wilde referring to in this quote? I have the nocturnes, etudes, preludes, and the second piano concerto, and they don't make me feel this way.

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 Post subject: Re: What Chopin pieces is Oscar Wilde referring to?
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That quote appears to originate from this essay by Wilde...
http://www.online-literature.com/wilde/1305/

I'm no expert but during the dialogue it appears nothing was actually played, I think it was just a general statement. I extract the relevant prose...

GILBERT...And now, let me play Chopin to you, or Dvorak? Shall I play you a fantasy
by Dvorak? He writes passionate, curiously-coloured things.


ERNEST. No; I don't want music just at present. It is far too
indefinite. Besides, I took the Baroness Bernstein down to dinner
last night, and, though absolutely charming in every other respect,
she insisted on discussing music as if it were actually written in
the German language. Now, whatever music sounds like I am glad to
say that it does not sound in the smallest degree like German.
There are forms of patriotism that are really quite degrading. No;
Gilbert, don't play any more. Turn round and talk to me. Talk to
me till the white-horned day comes into the room. There is
something in your voice that is wonderful.

GILBERT (rising from the piano). I am not in a mood for talking
to-night. I really am not. How horrid of you to smile! Where are
the cigarettes? Thanks. How exquisite these single daffodils are!
They seem to be made of amber and cool ivory. They are like Greek
things of the best period. What was the story in the confessions
of the remorseful Academician that made you laugh? Tell it to me.
After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins
that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were
not my own. Music always seems to me to produce that effect. It
creates for one a past of which one has been ignorant, and fills
one with a sense of sorrows that have been hidden from one's tears.

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 Post subject: Re: What Chopin pieces is Oscar Wilde referring to?
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Of course, Chopin is the composer of the famous Funeral March!

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 Post subject: Re: What Chopin pieces is Oscar Wilde referring to?
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I wrote to Melmoth, who models himself on Wilde in more ways than one, and he agreed with my assessment above. Nothing specific was being referred to.

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Rod Corkin wrote:
I wrote to Melmoth, who models himself on Wilde in more ways than one, and he agreed with my assessment above. Nothing specific was being referred to.


Thanks for the detective work!

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Brian wrote:
Thanks for the detective work!

Further detective work reveals some more gems from Wilde on matters musical...

“If one hears bad music it is one's duty to drown it by one's conversation”

“Please do not shoot the pianist. He is doing his best.”

“Of course the music is a great difficulty. You see, if one plays good music, people don't listen, and if one plays bad music people don't talk.”

"Music makes one feel so romantic - at least it always gets on one's nerves - which is the same thing nowadays."

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 Post subject: Re: What Chopin pieces is Oscar Wilde referring to?
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Rod Corkin wrote:
Brian wrote:

Further detective work reveals some more gems from Wilde on matters musical...


Ha! He sure was a master of the bon mot.

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