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 Post subject: The Berlin Phil. and VPO in Nazi and Post-Nazi Times
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:14 pm 
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An interesting read.

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I read through the article. I don't have a single recording by the VPO or BPO with Karajan, Böhm (or anyone else for that matter) amongst the c. 10k tracks on my audio player so it is not something for my conscience to ponder over. I did have a small number many years back but ditched them (gave them away actually) on artistic grounds long before I knew anything about their history. I think I still have a Böhm DVD of Fidelio somewhere but I haven't played it for years. I doubt those CM fans who do play their recordings (I suspect the vast majority will have at least one or two) would be swayed to bin them by such an article. Certainly my old friend Gerry who is a Karajan worshipper is never swayed when I bring up this subject in the bar (which I do often just to annoy him). Would you be swayed Digiti..?

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Dear Rod, I try to separate the conductors of that era with their moral corruption from their Art just as I separate the music of Richard Wagner from his terrible persona. I thought the author's assertion that Furtwangler, as was often stated, saved some Berlin Phil musicians being a falsehood very disturbing. So many other conductors like Krauss, Abendroth, Knappertsbush and the composer Pfitzner were not subject to the denazification that Karajan, Furtwangler and others were subject to.

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[quote="Digiti"]Dear Rod, I try to separate the conductors of that era with their moral corruption...

Well thanks to my good taste and discernment I am free from these particular moral considerations (that includes Wagner too!), but the above article refers not only to conductors but the behaviour of the orchestras too at an institutional level.

The nearest conflict of this kind I do have concerns conductor Robert King. I bought a number of Handel recordings he made with The King's Consort for Hyperion records, King was subsequently convicted of *** crimes against boys but I still play certain of these recordings largely because there are no alternatives (e.g. those of Alexander Balus, Joseph and his Brethren and The Occasional Oratorio). I feel uncomfortable playing them but at least in these cases the orchestra (and singers!) are not implicated in any way.
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Dear Rod, Let us not forget that both orchestras were slow to adopt women into their ranks until recently.

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Dear Rod, Let us not forget that both orchestras were slow to adopt women into their ranks until recently.

Could be worse. Have you seen a left-handed fiddler, male or female, in any orchestra, ever?

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Dear Rod, Very true!

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