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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Grieg - Peer Gynt Reply with quote

The Works of Edvard Grieg: Thread 2 - Peer Gynt

Thread 1 (String Quartet) and General Information



In 1875 Edvard Grieg wrote incidental music for Henrik Ibsen's play, "Peer Gynt"; it premiered on February 24th of the following year. Grieg later arranged the music into two suites, Opus numbers 46 & 55. This is without a doubt Grieg's most popular work.



I figured I'd get this out of the way early on. Peer Gynt is problematic for me: on one hand, it's a clever little piece; on the other, it's so stereotypically "Grieg" that it almost makes me cringe whenever I hear it. Grieg seems to have gotten tired of it as well, refering to it at one point as garbage (I can't name sources for this, sorry; I distinctly remember reading that he called it "a piece of Danish garbage," though). Liszt reportedly told Grieg during their meeting that his music was hokey enough to be successful, yet skillful enough to be respectable. One thing's for sure: Peer Gynt seems to highlight all the hokeyness and forgo the skillfulness. At least, it does in my book. That said, I still enjoy listening to it... Rolling Eyes

The most popular parts are "In the Hall of the Mountain King," "Morning Mood," and "Anitra's Dance," (the latter known mainly via a piano transcription) so those are the samples linked below. If there are any in particular you would like to hear, speak up and I'll add them for you (not all of them, of course)! From the recording:


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Peer Gynt Suite No. 1, Op. 46:
I. Morning Mood
II. Aese's Death
III. Anitra's Dance
IV. In the Hall of the Mountain King

Peer Gynt Suite No. 2, Op. 55:
I. The Abduction
II. Arabian Dance
III. Peer Gynt's Return
IV. Solveig's Song (This was originally written with lyrics to be sung by a vocalist, but is usually performed with solo violin instead, as is the case on the above-noted recording.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is actually the same recording I have. I also have some issues with the suites. There are pieces I love (such as In the Hall of the Mountain King), but it tends to start dragging for me. I find that it's easiest to listen to the suites a movement at at time, rather than all in one go.
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Peer Gynt Suite No. 1, Op. 46:
I. Morning Mood
II. Aese's Death
III. Anitra's Dance
IV. In the Hall of the Mountain King

'Anitra's dance' never really amount's to much though no doubt there is a programmatic reason for this treatment. Morning Mood' and 'In the Hall..' of course everyone knows, difficult do say anything that hasn't already been said. The catchy hooks are there for all to hear. 'Hokey' maybe, but at least he kept them relatively short and sweet, whereas someone like Wagner would no doubt have taken such ideas way beyond they're due musical worth, into the realms of grotesque bombast no doubt! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of those pieces of music that is the victim of its own success- and so familiar it's difficult to actually hear it properly. This is the only Grieg I ever owned and I've nothing against it- but I'm afraid I never listen to it. But it is one of those works that is so immediately likeable that it is responsible for getting a lot of people interested in classical in the first place- probably it has populated more classical 'favourites' compilations than anything else!
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Peer Gynt Suite No. 1, Op. 46:
I. Morning Mood
II. Aese's Death
III. Anitra's Dance
IV. In the Hall of the Mountain King

'Anitra's dance' never really amount's to much though no doubt there is a programmatic reason for this treatment. Morning Mood' and 'In the Hall..' of course everyone knows, difficult do say anything that hasn't already been said. The catchy hooks are there for all to hear. 'Hokey' maybe, but at least he kept them relatively short and sweet, whereas someone like Wagner would no doubt have taken such ideas way beyond they're due musical worth, into the realms of grotesque bombast no doubt! Very Happy


Wow, a decent review of Peer Gynt from the Emperor!!! I would never have thought! Very Happy

I've only posted three of these tracks; I suppose I could spare one or two more if there are any in particular that look interesting to you guys. As usual, thanks for the replies! Thumbs-up!
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Wow, a decent review of Peer Gynt from the Emperor!!! I would never have thought! Very Happy


Well that's putting a positive spin on it! I would say the piece fits into the 'pleasing divertimento' category. Wink
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Wow, a decent review of Peer Gynt from the Emperor!!! I would never have thought! Very Happy


Well that's putting a positive spin on it! But I still would say the piece fits into the 'pleasing divertimento' category. Laughing


Ah, that's more like it; for a minute there it almost seemed as if you liked it more than I did! Laughing

Let's compare, shall we?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Separated at birth? (after an immensely protracted labour Rolling Eyes )
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Separated at birth? (after an immensely protracted labour Rolling Eyes )


Yes, apparently their mother made the trip from Norway to Germany whilst in labor, too! Shocked I do wonder just how similar they would look without their mustaches and crazy hair.

Anyone else want to comment on Peer Gynt before I move onto Grieg's Piano Concerto in A Minor? It's without a doubt one of the best-known pieces of music ever written!
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Anyone else want to comment on Peer Gynt before I move onto Grieg's Piano Concerto in A Minor? It's without a doubt one of the best-known pieces of music ever written!

I guess the answer to that was no! Wink

Anyhow, the Peer Gynt found on the Grieg: Complete Works with Orchestra set I ordered has the full Peer Gynt, originally Op. 23: dialogue, arias, choruses, the works. It's wonderful! Would you believe that In the Hall of the Mountain King originally had a chorus in it?!

Rod has moved this to the Secular Vocal Music forum for me, so expect some samples of this in the fairly-near-future! Thumbs-up!
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Sorin Eushayson wrote:

Anyhow, the Peer Gynt found on the Grieg: Complete Works with Orchestra set I ordered has the full Peer Gynt: dialogue, arias, choruses, the works. It's wonderful! Would you believe that In the Hall of the Mountain King originally had a chorus in it?!

Rod has moved this to the Secular Vocal Music forum for me, so expect some samples of this in the fairly-near-future! Thumbs-up!

So what kind of music actually is Peer Gynt? An oratorio? A cantata? An opera??? Whatever perhaps you should take the reference to 'suites' out of the title if there is much more to this music.
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So what kind of music actually is Peer Gynt? An oratorio? A cantata? An opera??? Whatever perhaps you should take the reference to 'suites' out of the title if there is much more to this music.

Good catch - title changed.

Peer Gynt is classified as incidental music, like Beethoven's Die Ruins von Athens or Mozart's Les Petits Reins. It was written to accommodate Ibsen's play, where it gets its name. It's interesting because whilst listening through the entire work it seems as though Grieg has not only introduce a few numbers to add another dimension to the play, but has transformed it into a full-on operatic experience, with scenes, recitations, arias, and choruses. Incidental music, but very extensive incidental music...

While we're on the subject, the aforementioned set also came with Grieg's only opera: his incomplete Olav Trygvason, Op. 50. It came with his other, lesser-known set of incidental music as well, Sigurd Jorsalfar, Op. 22. Potential future topics.
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As I've come into the forum recently and haven't had as much opportunity to comment on Peer Gynt, I'll have to drop a comment here at this time, that is, my favorite of the music has to be Solveig's Song. I was fortunate to see Peer Gynt with the music, live, some years ago and the contexts of the music with the play worked well for me. I've always enjoyed even the more quirky Griegish of his works, but that is my own taste.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice topic Sorin! I think Greig's "Morning Mood" is beautiful, I wonder if he composed this in a house or cabin near the Fjord's in Norway? I can imagine him getting the inspiration of the beautiful scenery there, Greig is another one of my favorite composers.


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Hey, thanks for the comments, guys! Yes, Peer Gynt is great. You're lucky to have seen the play with the music live, SB - I'm envious! Apparently it's one of the more popular dramatic works in Norway today.

That recording looks like a good deal, Kuhlau. Note the presence of 'In Autumn' and a few of Grieg's other, more lyrical works for orchestra. Fabulous.

Grieg wrote the work in 1875, which I believe would have placed him in Hardanger, Norway at the time. Norway certainly is a gorgeous place. I have not had the opportunity to visit my cousins there, but my grandparents have gone there numerous times and say it still retains that rustic charm. No doubt this would have inspired Grieg's creative (albeit a bit quirky) music!
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While it's been a few years since I saw the play the thing that stands out in my mind more than anything is Solveig's Song and the theme from the song which was repeated from time to time in a beautiful and haunting fashion. I enjoyed the play very much as well as the music.
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While it's been a few years since I saw the play the thing that stands out in my mind more than anything is Solveig's Song and the theme from the song which was repeated from time to time in a beautiful and haunting fashion. I enjoyed the play very much as well as the music.

Here's a performance of that very passage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU0WNE14RAY.
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SB wrote:
While it's been a few years since I saw the play the thing that stands out in my mind more than anything is Solveig's Song and the theme from the song which was repeated from time to time in a beautiful and haunting fashion. I enjoyed the play very much as well as the music.

Here's a performance of that very passage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU0WNE14RAY.


Thank you for sharing that. That's a WONDERFUL performance, very sensitive! As I remember the lady singing that song in the production did not use vibrato and the effect was quite eerie, especially when the song came back off stage. It has always been a favorite of mine of Grieg, anyway.
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Once I had the complete Peer Gynt music on a Musical Heritage ablum, but got rid of all my LPs some time ago. I miss it.

Kuhlau wrote:
I suggest that anyone tired of the two suites should pick up a copy of this:



It's not the complete music to accompany the Ibsen play - two items are omitted, though I've no idea why - but it's finely played and well recorded for its age.

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Sorin Eushayson wrote:
SB wrote:
While it's been a few years since I saw the play the thing that stands out in my mind more than anything is Solveig's Song and the theme from the song which was repeated from time to time in a beautiful and haunting fashion. I enjoyed the play very much as well as the music.

Here's a performance of that very passage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU0WNE14RAY.

A fine and sensitive performance, I'd say the vibrato is tollerable here. I notice a German text is being sung however.
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